Otkrivena dugo čuvana tajna: Srbi su pogodili i drugi F-117

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Samo potvrda da su nasumičnim gađanjem uspjeli pokojeg okrznuti i to samo zato jer su u isto vrijeme poletili avioni iz Aviana a kinezi im to uredno dojavljivali.
Poslje toga je "slučajno" pogođeno kinesko veleposlanstvo s jednom krstarećom raketom i kinezi su jasno shvatili poruku jel.

tre wrote:Samo potvrda da su nasumičnim gađanjem uspjeli pokojeg okrznuti i to samo zato jer su u isto vrijeme poletili avioni iz Aviana a kinezi im to uredno dojavljivali.
Poslje toga je "slučajno" pogođeno kinesko veleposlanstvo s jednom krstarećom raketom i kinezi su jasno shvatili poruku jel.

a kako ga ti izvrces cinjenice...ne mozes cuti da su srbi nesh napravili kako treba..evo i iz jemerickog tiska...barem je to lako provjeriti..

ne..evo cijeli tekst,s obzirom kako si ignorant,...

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The story of how one of the U.S. Air Force’s prized F-117 Nighthawk stealth attack jets came to be shot down over Serbia during Operation Allied Force on March 27, 1999, is, by now, familiar. The loss of “Vega 31” and the subsequent recovery of pilot Lieutenant Colonel Dale Zelko is an episode that we have looked at in detail before at The War Zone. What’s less well known is that another F-117 was hit by a Serbian air defense system during that same campaign, but details of what happened have only recently become available.
In the latest edition of The Afterburn podcast, which you can listen to in full here, retired Air Force Lieutenant Colonel Charlie “Tuna” Hainline, a former F-117 pilot, confirms what had, for many years, been a rumor: that a second stealth jet was hit by the Serbians, but managed to return to base. While noting that much about the incident in Allied Force remains classified, he still provides some fascinating details of what appears to be a previously unconfirmed event.



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Hainline flew the A-10 operationally before switching to the F-117 after the once-secret program had “come out of the black,” and soon after Operation Desert Storm. He also explains that he flew a single mission over Iraq in early 1993, during the policing of the no-fly zone over that country. On that occasion, it seems that “Tuna” targeted some Iraqi air defense systems and had his first experience of being on the receiving end of hostile ground fire, but his jet emerged unscathed. 




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An F-117 in front of a destroyed hardened aircraft shelter at Ahmed Al Jaber Air Base, Kuwait. Hainline flew his first combat mission in the stealth jet from here in 1993.

At the time of the Operation Allied Force, in 1999, Hainline was on his second F-117 tour, assigned to the 9th Fighter Squadron, the “Flying Knights,” and deployed to Spangdahlem Air Base in Germany. From here, the missions were of fairly long endurance, and “pretty grueling,” typically around six hours between takeoff and landing. At least two hours were normally required to reach the tanker track, which was located over Hungary, followed by a precision bombing mission involving roughly 30 to 45 minutes of total flying time over the former Yugoslavia, and then returning home via another tanker “top-up.”
With just two laser-guided bombs in its internal bays, the Nighthawk normally dropped both weapons on a single target. During Allied Force, these target sets frequently included communications installations, including radio masts, which had to be struck at the base to “tumble” them. Hainline mentions other targets, too, among them bridges, factories, buildings that intelligence suggested were associated with high-value individuals, and petroleum, oil, and lubrication (POL) facilities.



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An F-117 deploys its drag chute on landing at Spangdahlem Air Base, Germany, on April 4, 1999.

Hainline’s “interesting night,” as he puts it, involved a mission with two F-117s, flying on roughly parallel target runs, around 10 miles apart. “Tuna” doesn’t provide the date, but it was certainly after the Serbians had shot down the first F-117, according to Hainline's account. Unconfirmed sources had previously stated that this incident occurred on April 30, 1999.
On the night in question, Hainline recalled “quite a bit of AAA [anti-aircraft artillery] and at times quite a few missiles being fired.” These surface-to-air missiles (SAMs) included examples of the same Soviet-made SA-3 Goa that had previously brought down “Vega 31,” but there were other missile types in use at the time, too, according to "Tuna." 



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S-125 Pechora surface-to-air missiles, known to NATO as SA-3 Goa, on display in a Finnish museum.

During their frontline career, Nighthawks almost always flew combat missions with support from jamming aircraft, including EF-111 Ravens and EA-6B Prowlers.  Not only did they lack any defensive countermeasures, beyond their stealthy shaping and radar-absorbent material, of their own, but F-117 pilots were nearly oblivious to the status of threats in their vicinity during their runs over hostile territory due to lack of onboard threat-detection equipment. Even radio reception was degraded due to antennas being pulled in to “stealth-up” the aircraft over enemy territory. Electronic attack support had been notably lacking in the case of the “Vega 31” shootdown, although it’s unclear if it was lacking for the mission Hainline described. According to most accounts, the night “Vega 31” was shot down was the only evening where EA-6B Prowlers were not present to wreak havoc on hostile radars. 
On this occasion, over Serbia, advance warning of hostile SAMs was provided to the F-117 aircrew by Air Force F-16CJ “Wild Weasel” pilots, whose jets were equipped with the HARM Targeting System (HTS) for the suppression of enemy air defenses mission. So it was, on the outskirts of western Belgrade, heading north, that one of the “CJ” pilots called a SAM launch — right at that moment, Hainline was on his target run, with only around 30 or 40 seconds before his bomb was supposed to drop on an antenna.



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An F-16CJ breaks away from a KC-135R Stratotanker after refueling during NATO Operation Allied Force on March 31, 1999.

“Tuna,” who knew he was a little offset to the west of the SAM launch, providing a modicum of safely, recounted what happened next to The Afterburn:
“I kind of looked to my right over Belgrade, and [saw] this huge missile coming up — it looks like a Saturn V thing. I knew my number two guy was over there somewhere. Then I see another launch — this big glow, and even from that far away you can see a lot of detail. The plume, the smoke going, and then just this ball of fire coming up towards you.”
Hainline called upon the training he’d received for just such a situation, which required him to keep the autopilot engaged since manual turning or banking movements could have a negative impact on the jet’s radar cross-section, potentially presenting the missile with a juicier target.
“As I’m heading towards this target, one missile explodes and the other one kind of goes up into space,” Hainline continued. “I don’t know if it hit him,” he added, referring to his wingman.
Hainline continued on his bomb run and managed to get his bomb away cleanly and hit the objective.



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He then headed back to the tanker track, but the expected rendezvous there with the other F-117 didn’t happen. A period was now spent circling around, during which Hainline persuaded the tanker to remain on station. The aircraft then worked to conserve fuel as much as possible, waiting for the other Nighthawk to arrive. Finally, the boom operator on the KC-135 Stratotanker spotted an F-117 pulling closer through the darkness, with no lights on.
“His airplane wasn’t in really good shape,” Hainline remembered, and soon after the other F-117 had plugged into the boom, the jet fell away, leaving “Tuna” and the tanker crew wondering if it was now flying on only one engine, or if some other problem had presented itself to the pilot.
Hainline called out instructions to the tanker, requesting the crew put the flaps down to reduce speed and allow the other Nighthawk to reconnect. Despite fuel spilling out around the receptacle, the damaged F-117 managed to fill its tanks and both stealth jets then headed back to base.



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A Nighthawk being refueled by a KC-10 Extender tanker on a mission out of Edwards Air Force Base, California. Tanking was, according to Hainline, one of the hardest aspects of flying the F-117 to master. 

En route back to Germany, Hainline said the other Nighthawk “kind of disappeared again,” but both jets eventually made it back to Spangdahlem.
Hainline’s efforts to ensure his wingman made it home safely were rewarded with the Distinguished Flying Cross, a commendation for “heroism or extraordinary achievement while participating in an aerial flight.”
While the recognition that another F-117 was damaged by Serbian air defenses during Allied Force is noteworthy, Hainline emphasizes the fact that SAMs were a real concern for the “Black Jet” in any combat scenario. He describes how the F-117 would be routed to avoid “double-digit” SAMs — referring to the Russian-made SA-10 Grumble, also known as the S-300, and more advanced types — since the jet was considered “low observable, not invisible.” Even comparatively old systems, such as the SA-3, remained a genuine threat, as confirmed by the downing of “Vega 31” earlier in the campaign.



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A two-ship of F-117s formates for the camera in the mid-1990s.

Beyond talking about his time in the F-117 and this incident over Serbia in the podcast, Hainline reflected on other aspects of his fl..

ostatak na ..

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/37894/yes-serbian-air-defenses-did-hit-another-f-117-during-operation-allied-force-in-1999  

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pa josh...

https://www.warhistoryonline.com/instant-articles/serbs-shot-down-invisible-f-117.html 

Kakogod,Srbi su imali moda da se popice sa najjacim na svijetu,dok ste se vi usrali kad su Priprijetili,da ako nastavite za Banja luku,da ce te dobiti po glavudži..

TO su fakti..

svetoje ajde ne glumi veću budaletinu nego što jesi. Što ti pokušavaš implicirati, da su srbi imali tehnologiju kojom su vidjeli f 117? ajde se poklopi blatobranima i šuti.

Legendovich wrote:

tre wrote:Samo potvrda da su nasumičnim gađanjem uspjeli pokojeg okrznuti i to samo zato jer su u isto vrijeme poletili avioni iz Aviana a kinezi im to uredno dojavljivali.
Poslje toga je "slučajno" pogođeno kinesko veleposlanstvo s jednom krstarećom raketom i kinezi su jasno shvatili poruku jel.

a kako ga ti izvrces cinjenice...ne mozes cuti da su srbi nesh napravili kako treba..evo i iz jemerickog tiska...barem je to lako provjeriti..

ne..evo cijeli tekst,s obzirom kako si ignorant,...

Yes, Serbian Air Defenses Did Hit Another F-117 During Operation Allied Force In 1999

New details regarding the incident confirm long-standing rumors of an F-117 being damaged by a surface-to-air missile over Serbia.

Pa piše u tekstu koji si sam stavio da je avion "hit" i "damaged". Dakle, pogođen i oštećen. Ne da je i oboren.

Legendovich wrote:Priprijetili,da ako nastavite za Banja luku,da ce te dobiti po glavudži..

TO su fakti..

Od Banja Luke se odustalo zato jer bi u tom slučaju tamo muslimani ustrojili lokalnu vlast pa što bi ratovali za interese klana Izetbegović i njihove Islamske deklaracije?
To ni tada nije bio niti će biti naš rat.
Da se nakon osvajanja odnosno oslobođenja Banja Luke tamo moglo ustrojiti hrvatsku vlast, priča bi drugačije završila.

Inače, što se tiče srpskog junaštva, ja sam bio nemalo iznenađen nakon što je Milošević ekspresno kapitulirao kad ga je posjetio Černomirdin u Beogradu.
I to vrlo kratko nakon što je zapovjednik američki general Wesley Clark iznio pesimistične ocjene o mogućnosti invazije saveznika na Kosovo kopnenim putem, jer je tad ocjenjeno da je to jedini način da se spriječi potpuni genocid nad Albancima od strane srbijanskog režima.
Naime, Clark je javno rekao kako do Kosova iz Albanije vode samo dva iole pristojna puta i da ih je lako kontrolirati artiljerijom sa Kosova.
Osim toga da ide zima koja zna biti vrlo surova u planinama sjeverne Albanije.
Mislio sam da bi Srbi uz ustrajnu borbu mogli izdržati veći dio zime, možda i do proljeća.
Kapitulirati u tom trenutku pred savezničkom odnosno američkom prijetnjom kopnene invazije koja bi se po njih odvijala u vrlo teškim uvjetima je bio akt groznog kukavičluka kakav na ovim prostorima nije odavno zabilježen.

SRBI POGODILI JOŠ JEDAN "NEVIDLJIVI" AVION I TO IZNAD NOVOG BEOGRADA! Šokantno priznanje američkog pilota, evo šta se dogodilo sa pogođenom stelt letelicom!


https://informer.rs/svet/vesti/568204/nato-bombardovanje-americki-pilot-nevidljivi-avion-pogodak-srpski-pvo

Nisu rekli iznad kog bloka

Nego, nisam tada bio u Beogradu, mada se ne secam da je

bila neka PVO na Novom Beogradu.

Legendovich wrote:pa josh...

https://www.warhistoryonline.com/instant-articles/serbs-shot-down-invisible-f-117.html 

Kakogod,Srbi su imali moda da se popice sa najjacim na svijetu,dok ste se vi usrali kad su Priprijetili,da ako nastavite za Banja luku,da ce te dobiti po glavudži..

TO su fakti..

Svetoje manje bajke iz suljine kuhinje citaj..preporucio ti milojko pantic

Legendovich wrote:Kakogod,Srbi su imali moda da se popice sa najjacim na svijetu...

Jedno je imati muda, a drugo je nemati mozga 

Zrakoplov moze biti nevidljiv za radar ali ne moze za metak i granatu..ako ih brdo ispaljujes mogucnost da ces nekog nasumice pogodit i nije mala..ako udjes u jaku vatru pzo topova da ne znam u cemu letis mozes gadno najebati..ima jedna snimka na youtube gdje su srbi na pzo topovima priznali da su x puta nasumicno pucali sto od straha sto od cestih naleta..

Srbija dominiše!

Ko i ona bajka ili mit o borbama za granicnu karaulu koshare na granici kosova i albanije do prije koju godinu da je karaulu 1999 godine napadalo od 5000 do 10000 siptara uz pomoc sasovaca,placenika iz legije strada naca,mudjehida da bi ne dugo isplivao dokaz..da je tamo bila jedna brigada ovka brojnosti od 1500 do 2000 ljudi..i da omjer nije bio 1:10 kako su srbi mitomanili..nego 1:2 a negdje i 1:1 i nikakvi sasovci,legionari u borbama nisu ucestvovali vec je bilo nekih dragovoljaca bivsih casnika iz sas-a,legije,rendzera koji su vrsili obuku pripadnika ovk-a...kurac bi se ti obranio da je bio omjer 1:10 plus da su te sasovci,legionari ili zelene beretke napadale..i to jos sa rocnim vojnicima

Au, ocit dokaz sposobnosti i hrabrosti srpske vojske:)
Mene su pogodili cak tri puta.

Serbinho-3 wrote:SRBI POGODILI JOŠ JEDAN "NEVIDLJIVI" AVION I TO IZNAD NOVOG BEOGRADA! Šokantno priznanje američkog pilota, evo šta se dogodilo sa pogođenom stelt letelicom!


https://informer.rs/svet/vesti/568204/nato-bombardovanje-americki-pilot-nevidljivi-avion-pogodak-srpski-pvo

"Naša PVO je uspela da pogodi i drugi stelt avion, ali je on ipak uspeo da se vrati u bazu u Nemačkoj."

Toliko i o tome.

dijagram wrote:Au, ocit dokaz sposobnosti i hrabrosti srpske vojske:)
Mene su pogodili cak tri puta.

Pa si i dalje ovdje živ i zdrav.

Ma nemoguće je nekaj američko oboriti. Ipak su to drljavi sovjetski PZO-ovi :D