Dark

Weee, konacno sam odgledala i 10. epizodu! :-)

Znaci, Jonas je zaglavio u 2052. Moja mi intuicija veli da je on taj "stranac" kojeg Noah spominje. Dakle, Noah je iz buducnosti.

Dalje, cini se da jedino Noah i shvaca da su stanovnici Windena zatoceni u vremenskoj petlji i da svaki njihov pokusaj mijenjanja "poremecenog" vremenskog slijeda rezultira, u konacnici, odrzavanjem iste te petlje. Dakle, na djelu bi bila predestinacija ili fatalizam u uzem smislu. Cini se da i sami Windenci osjecaju da nesto nije u redu jer vec u prvoj epizodi Martha (Jonasova teta) spominje deja vu. Ne znam sto znace one Jonasove halucinacije. Jesu li halucinacije ili vizije, sjecanja iz prijasnjih vremenskih petlji?

U 10. epizodi vidimo Noaha kako predaje svoju "Bibliju" Bartozsu. Zasto njemu? Mozda mu je Bartozs buduci otac?

Noah je enigmatican lik. Nisu nam bas jasni motivi njegovih vremenskih putovanja. Cini se da je u posjedu nesavrsenog vremenskog stroja (ona "elektricna stolica") koji otvara portal, ali ubija osobe u nj. Sto nas dovodi do zakljucka da Noah (koji se u svojoj vremenskoj liniji mozda tako ne zove) ipak ne ubija namjerno te djecake. Ali, ako je on sadisticki Tronteov otac, zapravo Ulrichov djed, kojeg spominje Ulrichova zgodna baka u 1953. ("moj suprug bio je svecenik, ne osobito dobar"), tada se postavlja pitanje sto se to desava u buducnosti da doticni putuje kroz vrijeme i cini sve te uzasne stvari. U prvoj sezoni svakako je prikazan kao negativan lik, iako iz njegove perspektive Claudija je ta koja povlaci sve konce.

Mozda nije nevazno spomenuti da se u seriji putuje kroz vrijeme na tri nacina. Portalom u pecini, Claudijinim uredjajem i Noahovom "elektricnom stolicom".

We Talked To An Actual Physicist About The Dark Finale


Netflix’s German sci-fi drama Dark, however, isn’t like the others. The international series seems obsessed with the science of its cave, nuclear power plant, and the “black hole” everyone keeps talking about. That makes sense, since creator Jantje Friese has admitted those are the aspects of the streaming show that really captured him and co-creator Baran bo Odar. They even read Stephen Hawking and Albert Einstein to prepare.

None of this seems more obvious than in the finale, “Alpha And Omega,” when older Jonas Kahnwald (Andreas Pietschmann) sets off the machine he believes will end Winden, Germany’s time travel problems for good. Phrases like “Higgs field” are thrown around with ease, along with the names of elements like cesium. Somehow, all of this will halt the time-bending effects of the cave. But, younger Jonas (Louis Hofmann) is simply tossed 66 years into the future, and Winden’s electricity starts starts going on the fritz in 1953, 1986, and 2019, the years affected by the cave. In 2019, a massive black hole starts growing.

While watching all of this sci-fi madness unfold, I wondered if any of it was realistic, considering all the research Dark’s creators slaved over. So, I turned to my real-life friend Henry J. Meyer, an academically published physicist with a Masters degree in the subject, who’s currently working on his PhD in electrical engineering. While talking to Meyer, who binged Dark in about three days flat, one thing became clear: “[The team] definitely made an effort to make it seem really accurate,” as he said, but the science of Dark should at best lead to the death of everyone in Winden, and at worst the destruction of the entire planet.

So, why should Winden’s little time travel dilema cause a mass extinction? The fact, according to the German-to-English subtitles, Jonas’ machine will create a black hole. “If that were a black hole, the entire Earth would be crushed and destroyed,” Meyer said recently in a bar on Manhattan's Upper West Side. “If you’ve seen Interstellar, not only would it have destroyed the entire Earth, [everyone in Winden] would be experiencing time dilation.”

Time dilation essentially occurs when something is close to another object so massive, in this case a hypothetical black hole, the bigger entity distorts time to the point where even “the time difference in your foot and the top of your head would be so different,” as Meyer explained.

But, thankfully, black holes aren’t exactly what everyone in Dark is actually talking about, or what is likely created in the final moments of the season 1 finale. “What they described as a black hole is a wormhole,” he explained. While the Winden wormhole is big enough for a teen Jonas or a young Helge Doppler (Tom Philipp) to move through in “Alpha And Omega,” current science isn’t so sure that’s possible.
“People theorize the presence of wormholes, which are way too small for a human to pass through,” Meyer said, snapping his fingers to punctuate his words. Can a worm fit? “No. The idea is, they’re smaller than atoms, smaller than the parts that make up atoms. It’s just random holes that pop up, and it can connect time, space. Like you could open up a wormhole and you would be in a different galaxy, 300 years in the future.”

We should probably be thankful real-life wormholes aren’t popping up all over the place, since they sound, as with most things Dark science, deadly. Apparently, a person-sized wormhole, like the ones in the Netflix drama, would require a massive amount of energy. And in this instance, “massive” means more energy than the sun, since that star isn’t ripping open any German teenager-sized wormholes into the sky. “Theoretically it’s maybe possible you could open one big enough for people to move through, but there's no guarantee it would even be stable or it’s even possible to have that much energy,” Meyer said. “It would probably kill everything.”

Yet, nothing quite so catastrophic occurs in Dark, and Jonas is catapulted to what we can all guess is a dystopian 2052, 33 years from his own 2019 and 66 years from 1986, the year he first travels to in “Alpha.” Interestingly, that future-finding form of time travel is theoretically possible, as Meyer explained, “Time is considered to be more of a dimension that’s constantly flowing forward. It’s shown that you could basically time travel, but only forward.” Yet, technically, that means Jonas' initial trip back to the '80s shouldn’t have happened. “It’s still not even really shown you can go back in time,” the PhD candidate said. “That might be completely impossible in general.”
But, since Older Jonas did set off that cesium-powered machine — which, Meyer pointed out “is [actually] just a pretty standard radioactive material” — in 1986, all three time periods start to experience bizarre electrical activity. In the Dark world that could hypothetically be possible, since the premise claims “that one single hotspot in that cave is basically all three times at once.” So, if something happens during one of those times, it happens in all three.

By the end of Dark, it's officially four times, as Jonas is squarely in the future from where his older self hails. Surmising the final seconds of “Alpha,” Meyer said, “What I thought at the end was that Older Jonas created an entirely new wormhole. You had the initial one caused by the nuclear plant, he might have destroyed that one, but then made another one, creating a loop.” A loop that technically shouldn't be possible due to the best-known theories on time travel, but a loop nonetheless.
All in all, Dark's science is obviously more thoughtful than whatever's going on in Hawkins, but a documentary the German thriller is not.

http://www.refinery29.com/2017/12/185318/dark-ending-time-travel-wormhole-season-1-finale-netflix

fridrih_niche wrote:Jel se isplati ovo gledat?
Non stop mi je Netflix izbaciva da je pogledan, a ja odbijan...
Ako je precijenjena serija ka i Stranger Things onda je ni neću pogledat...
;)

fridrih_niche wrote:Jel se isplati ovo gledat?
Non stop mi je Netflix izbaciva da je pogledan, a ja odbijan...
Ako je precijenjena serija ka i Stranger Things onda je ni neću pogledat...
;)

Ithildin wrote:Pa mogao si to malo bolje premjestiti, sto je ovo, kvragu? Bilo je vise odgovora, a nije ni naznaceno tko je sto napisao.

mativka wrote:

Ithildin wrote:Pa mogao si to malo bolje premjestiti, sto je ovo, kvragu? Bilo je vise odgovora, a nije ni naznaceno tko je sto napisao.

Ionako su vaša razmišljanja viša fizika za običan puk :)
Konstruktivna, tjednorazmišljajuća :)
Uglavnom, ukoliko ste spremni na misaone igre, pogledajte seriju :)

Ithildin wrote:

mativka wrote:

Ithildin wrote:Pa mogao si to malo bolje premjestiti, sto je ovo, kvragu? Bilo je vise odgovora, a nije ni naznaceno tko je sto napisao.

Ionako su vaša razmišljanja viša fizika za običan puk :)
Konstruktivna, tjednorazmišljajuća :)
Uglavnom, ukoliko ste spremni na misaone igre, pogledajte seriju :)

Nije to nista tesko za pratiti. Naprotiv. Ide mi na zivce ovakvo krnje prenosenje. Bolje da nije, onda, nista ni dirao.

Napravit cu sama novi topic s prijasnjim upisima. Ne mogu putem moba.

Ithildin wrote:Pa mogao si to malo bolje premjestiti, sto je ovo, kvragu? Bilo je vise odgovora, a nije ni naznaceno tko je sto napisao.

kic wrote:

Ithildin wrote:Pa mogao si to malo bolje premjestiti, sto je ovo, kvragu? Bilo je vise odgovora, a nije ni naznaceno tko je sto napisao.

jesmo kriticni, a zas to nismo sami napravili onda? napravio sam u 2min koje sam stigao..

Tommy R wrote:

fridrih_niche wrote:Jel se isplati ovo gledat?
Non stop mi je Netflix izbaciva da je pogledan, a ja odbijan...
Ako je precijenjena serija ka i Stranger Things onda je ni neću pogledat...
;)

Isplati se gledat, serija je jako dobra, ali si uzmi vremena pogledat je baš jer se lako pogubiš ako je gledaš onako usput.

mativka wrote:

fridrih_niche wrote:Jel se isplati ovo gledat?
Non stop mi je Netflix izbaciva da je pogledan, a ja odbijan...
Ako je precijenjena serija ka i Stranger Things onda je ni neću pogledat...
;)

Pogledaj, pa riječima svojim
mukom mojim prozbori :)