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Post by asilovski on 17/7/2017, 08:16

@marcellus wrote:jer u švicarskoj konobar dobije otkaz ako izgleda nadrkano

a kod hrvata je nadrkanost dio nacionalnog identiteta i ako nisi nadrkan na sve živo oko sebe onda nešto s tobom nije u redu
Istina, osim toga kod nas konobari žele biti direktori a kod njih napredovati u branši a i konobarenje je zanat koji kod nas se smatra usputnim a ne pozivom
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Post by marcellus on 17/7/2017, 11:56

@vili40 wrote:lako se kurčiti švicarcima kad nemalu velike todoriće i još na tisuće malih.

zapravo imaju stotine velikih todorića i desetke tisuća malih

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Post by prckov on 17/7/2017, 11:58

zato sto bi dobili otkaz
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Post by veber on 17/7/2017, 12:18

@marcellus wrote:
@vili40 wrote:lako se kurčiti švicarcima kad nemalu velike todoriće i još na tisuće malih.

zapravo imaju stotine velikih todorića i desetke tisuća malih
naravno da nemaju.

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Post by asilovski on 17/7/2017, 12:19

@veber wrote:
@marcellus wrote:
@vili40 wrote:lako se kurčiti švicarcima kad nemalu velike todoriće i još na tisuće malih.

zapravo imaju stotine velikih todorića i desetke tisuća malih
naravno da nemaju.
Naravno, pa švicarska bi davno propala da dopušta jednom oligarhu da ne plaća porez, dobavljače, namješta zakone i postavlja ministra financija
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Post by veber on 17/7/2017, 12:33

marcel nije bio u švici, možda i je ali nije se družio s ekipom


kava u cirihu je 8franaka, birtijia opskura.

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Post by marcellus on 17/7/2017, 12:49

@asilovski wrote:
@marcellus wrote:jer u švicarskoj konobar dobije otkaz ako izgleda nadrkano

a kod hrvata je nadrkanost dio nacionalnog identiteta i ako nisi nadrkan na sve živo oko sebe onda nešto s tobom nije u redu
Istina, osim toga kod nas konobari žele biti direktori a kod njih napredovati u branši a i konobarenje je zanat koji kod nas se smatra usputnim a ne pozivom

kod nas je to više mogućnost da dilaš nešto

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Post by marcellus on 17/7/2017, 12:51

@asilovski wrote:
@veber wrote:
@marcellus wrote:
@vili40 wrote:lako se kurčiti švicarcima kad nemalu velike todoriće i još na tisuće malih.

zapravo imaju stotine velikih todorića i desetke tisuća malih
naravno da nemaju.
Naravno, pa švicarska bi davno propala da dopušta jednom oligarhu da ne plaća porez, dobavljače, namješta zakone i postavlja ministra financija

hehe

švica nudi državljanstvo tajkunima uz minimalni porez ako se presele kod njih

primjer je jedan od par najbogatijih ljudi na svijetu ingvar kamprad koji živi u švici da ne plaća porez u šveckoj, vlasnik ikee


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Billionaires Mr Kamprad and Hans Rausing, scion of the Tetra Pak business, who now lives in the UK, both fled Sweden decades ago in protest at increasingly high taxes in the 1970s and 1980s, causing huge debate in the egalitarian country.

Mr Kamprad’s decision is purely personal and will not have any effect on how Ikea is run, his spokesman added. Ikea’s founder has been gradually withdrawing from his formal roles in the sprawling furniture empire and handing responsibility to his three sons.




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IKEA’s Founder Paid Tax for the First Time in 42 Years

In 2015, after returning from a 40 years-long Swiss tax exile, IKEA’s founder and the 11th richest person in the world, Ingvar Kamprad, paid Swedish tax for the first time. In 2014, Kamprad declared income of €1.9 million in Sweden. As a result, he was subject to Swedish personal income tax amounting to €640.000.

Taking into account the amount of the taxable income, Kamprad paid a relatively low amount of Swedish personal income tax. This is because of two circumstances regarding Kamprad’s tax declaration, namely, (1) the abolishment of Kamprad’s wealth tax by Stockholm tax authorities and (2) the transfer of his stake in IKEA to charitable foundations outside Sweden.

The billionaire whose wealth is worth more than €35 billion (according to Bloomberg Billionaires Index)began using a number of complex yet legal tax optimization schemes as soon as IKEA started rapidly growing after the Second World War. At that time, IKEA’s financial profits were significantly limited by the high income tax rates in Sweden. Kamprad states that such “optimized tax structure gives us the possibility of flexibility in using our assets that have already been taxed in one market. They can be used in new markets for further business development without the additional burden of double taxation.”


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In order to avoid wealth taxes in Sweden, Kamprad moved from Sweden to Switzerland in 1973, where he spent more than 40 years building the IKEA-empire. The high tax burden in Sweden, which in 1970’s could reach 85%of the income of wealthy individuals, caused not only Kamprad’s tax exile, but also the tax exiles of other high-net-worth individuals, including the tennis ace Bjorn Borg. Switzerland, which was chosen by IKEA’s founder, is a well-known European tax haven, where federal income tax does not exceed 11.5% and the wealth tax varies around 1%, depending on the Swiss canton. Consequently, Kamprad was obliged to pay significantly lower taxes than he would have paid in Sweden.



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https://www.forbes.com/sites/robertwood/2015/11/02/how-ikea-billionaire-legally-avoided-taxes-from-1973-until-2015/#1caf44235af5

How IKEA Billionaire Legally Avoided Taxes From 1973 Until 2015

89-year old IKEA founder Ingvar Kamprad is said to be the eighth wealthiest person in the world, with an estimated net worth of $43.2 billion. He was in favor of everything Swedish except taxes. So he spent more than 40 years paying as little as possible, both individually and for his company. Finally, though, he is back to paying tax in his home country.

It would be hard to find a more ardent promoter of all things Swedish, with all Swedish names for every product, and Swedish only food items. IKEA stores worldwide pay homage to Sweden. Yet the man responsible for the iconic brand fled his homeland 40 years ago.

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Post by marcellus on 17/7/2017, 12:59

inače nisam našao sad taj članak, ali švica je nudila za 200 bogatih tajkuna (ograničena ponuda) državljanstvo uz nekakav paušalni minimalni porez, kamprad je bio jedan od njih, znači godišnje platiš paušal od mislim 200 k franaka i niko te više ništa ne pita

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Post by marcellus on 17/7/2017, 13:00

naravno uvjet je da lovu pereš kod njih, a dobar vic je da ikea nikad nije bila kao kompanija registrirana u švedskoj nego je u vlasništvu dobrotvorne organizacije koja ne plaća porez (ali isto tako ne daje nikom ništa u dobrotvorne svrhe!) na nizozemskim antilima (gdje ne postoji porez)

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Post by marcellus on 17/7/2017, 13:01

ukratko cijela ikea je tax fraud šema

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Post by veber on 17/7/2017, 13:03

u švici možeš živjet i biti građanin.
ima par uvjeta.
ti ne ispunjavaš niti jedan.

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@veber wrote:u švici možeš živjet i biti građanin.
ima par uvjeta.
ti ne ispunjavaš niti jedan.

ako si tajkun nije problem

imaju flat tax program za tajkune

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Post by veber on 17/7/2017, 13:15

zakaj onda mene zovu?
plaća lijepa.

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Post by Eva_ on 17/7/2017, 13:15

@marcellus wrote:inače nisam našao sad taj članak, ali švica je nudila za 200 bogatih tajkuna (ograničena ponuda) državljanstvo uz nekakav paušalni minimalni porez, kamprad je bio jedan od njih, znači godišnje platiš paušal od mislim 200 k franaka i niko te više ništa ne pita
Šteta kaj ni Todorić ni našel. Ovak se nervozno osvrće kad bu na Himperu osvanula marusja.
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http://www.revue.ch/en/editions/2014/05/detail/news/detail/News/wealthy-foreigners-and-fair-taxation/


Until just a few years ago, hardly anyone was bothered by flat-rate taxation, which has been applied to wealthy foreigners in Switzerland for the last 150 years. It first became an issue in 2009 when, at the instigation of the Alternative List (AL), a small left-wing party, the tax was abolished in the canton of Zurich following a popular initiative. The cantons of Basel-Stadt, Basel-Landschaft, Schaffhausen and Appenzell-Ausserrhoden subsequently followed suit. The AL, supported by the Social Democrats and the trade unions, is now attempting to abolish the tax at federal level. The initiative seeking to abolish “the scandalous tax privilege of foreign millionaires”, will be put to the vote on 30 November. The Federal Council and the parliamentary majority are opposed to the abolition because they want to retain “an economically important instrument for attracting businesses to Switzerland”.


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The consequences of abolishing flat-rate taxation are unclear. As the distribution of flat-rate taxpayers across Switzerland varies greatly, the Federal Council estimates that the impact of abolition would be “low overall” but “might be very significant for individual cantons and communes”. Around half of the 200 or so former flat-rate taxpayers in the canton of Zurich moved abroad or to another canton after the 2009 vote. One well-known example is the Russian oligarch and multi-billionaire Victor Vekselberg, who left the canton of Zurich for the canton of Zug, where he now also pays flat-rate tax.


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